Jun 9, 2020
The toppling of statues by anti-racism protesters is justified according to this caller, and he argued that such monuments would be removed if white people were offended by them.
Ashley phoned in to make the case that the removal of apparently racist figures would help improve dialogue and heal the scars of racism in the UK. He told Tom Swarbrick that statues of Winston Churchill should be removed because of the institutional racism and cruelty he resided over. Tom argued that he didn’t think “the climbing of the cenotaph and the attempted burning of the Union Jack will help” bring credibility to the debate.
Ashley maintained that “a lot of the companies that made Britain the fifth or sixth-largest economy in the world were built off the backs of slaves” and controversially said that “every single statue should be brought down including Winston Churchill’s.”
He argued that Churchill “didn’t defeat Hitler to help me, he defeated him to help you” highlighting his view that the UK has not addressed racial inequalities that existed as far back as war times.
Tom pointed out that Ashley benefits “from a country that is not run by a fascist dictator”, to which the caller suggested Tom wasn’t speaking from a place of experience. Ashley added that when the question of taking down a statue of Jimmy Saville came about “he got taken down instantly” but “it takes years” for action to be taken when black people are offended by a monument, which is then met with the reaction that “criminal damage is the problem.”